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Comments on: Next generation Wi-Fi mired in patent fears

smells of RAMBUS 

Posted Friday 21st September 2007 20:50 GMT

let the standard be put in place and wait a couple of years for world+dog to produce product... then sue world+dog for patent infringement and attempt to get rich beyond rich quick but end up being slapped handily by the judicial system for being underhanded.

Useless bureaucrats 

Posted Friday 21st September 2007 20:53 GMT

How can something that's been in development for so long be unhinged by such an oversight?

He who lives by the sword... 

Posted Friday 21st September 2007 21:52 GMT

For years now science has been eroded by the influence of big business. Now we have the case that if a science research proposal doesn't look like it will produce money, it is far less likely to be funded.

So, to hear that this scientific organisation is now holding big business' next big thing hostage is wonderfully ironic. And why not? The scientists did all the work - why should a bunch of company execs and shareholders who don't even know how wireless works make all the money!

In fact, I'd go so far as to say 'tough luck' to the companies already selling 'n' standard equipment. I hope they get sued! Perhaps then they'll learn that if they want scientists to be happy they need to treat them like human beings, not money generating machines.

Perhaps this is the opening salvo in a new battle between the scientific community and the business community over who has the right to exploit the products of scientific research. Imagine Intel having to pay royalties to Nobel prize winning physicists on every processor they sell!

This didn't stop 802.11b and 802.11g 

Posted Saturday 22nd September 2007 02:05 GMT

This patent is old news. The CSIRO had patents over the b&g standards also. Equipment manufacturers should just pay up and stop being such tight arses.

They had, err, more pressing issues... 

Posted Saturday 22nd September 2007 12:25 GMT

> How can something that's been in development for so long be unhinged by such an oversight?

It's a standards committee. They had more important considerations. There's barely enough time to worry about whether to put the { on the same line or the next one.

The real story here is that, contrary to standards, a 12pt times roman typeface was used for some of the chapter headings - an outrage! The chairman stopped the discussion for this after only 8 hours discussing it!

Re: He who lives by the sword... 

Posted Sunday 23rd September 2007 01:35 GMT

You know that standards bodies create license pools in which every patent-holder gets a share of the license, right? They don't steal from companies, that's why all the stake-holders get together. A big chunk of the negotiating time is working out fee schedules, in fact, since all the IP-holders want as much as they can get and the chip-makers want to pay as little as possible. (IEEE isn't directly involved in licensing like MPEG-LA, but it's part of what goes on during standardization.)

re smells of RAMBUS 

Posted Monday 24th September 2007 05:23 GMT

No attempt to deceive here - Cisco were savvy enough to buy in early.

This really is a situation where a legitimate scientific organisation developed a real solution and it's just some big companies trying to get the results for free.

Nothing like RAMBUS 

Posted Tuesday 2nd October 2007 15:58 GMT

The CSIRO's patents have been known for years - they are also at the core of 802.11a and g (and are licensed as part of those standards).

If you read the CSIRO's letter (http://tinyurl.com/2wy23p) you'll see that what they're saying is that they cannot commit to licensing their technology to companies which are currently refusing to license it (and in some cases are actively suing the CSIRO).

The pre-n and draft-n manufacturers have only themselves to blame. Their "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" attitude may yet wind up sinking the ship.