By IainPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:03 GMT
I think what Bay was _trying_ to say was
"As a director whose best work was all released by Blu-Ray exclusive studios, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is,"
Apart from Transformers, the only other Michael Bay film owned by a HD-DVD-supporting studio is the execrable flop "The Island". Which, as a Warner-distributed title could come to both formats, should they see a point in bothering. Everything else is either Disney or Sony.
By Frank BoughPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:16 GMT
..but BluRay SHOULD win this battle. If it wasn't for MicroSoft meddling in the market, I think the war would be coming to an end about now. Make no mistake, MicroSoft want NEITHER format to succeed, and will support the underdog just long enough to make sure that doesn't happen - they want you to download HD movies via your XBOX, and higher quality disc formats make that proposition look less attractive.
.....turned down the role of directing Transformers 2 as he's so pissed. #
By TeeCeePosted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:49 GMT
"Bloody GIANT ROBOTS. I meeeeaaan whassafucksh that all about then? Go on? Tell me? Carn't be arshed any more me. You should shee my neksht filurm. Fucking maaagic it is! Gunsh, bombsh, wooosshhhhm, boooommm, blooody maaaarrvellous! I looovvvee you, I reeealllyyy doooo."
By Jason The SajPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:16 GMT
Neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD is what the consumers want. And that's the biggest problem.
Both are the 8-track of our day. Both will die a short death. In most data cycles there have been night an order of magnitude improvement (ie: CD over floppy, ). Or similar data storage but much reduced form factor (ie: floppy over old mag tape reels).
CD's held 650mb, DVD's came on the seen and hold 8g-16gb of data. Now, we get Blu-Ray & HD-DVD and we're at 50/30gb. Not that big of a jump....
By Mike RichardsPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:17 GMT
Errr if you're so annoyed about the format war caused by two incompatible formats why aren't you demanding that Blu-Ray is abandoned? The DVD Consortium named HD-DVD as the official follow-on to DVD *before* Blu-Ray was even demonstrated. HD-DVD finalised a standard and shipped players before the rival camp had even decided what should go into a Blu-Ray spec (and by the state of recent events even the specification is still up for grabs).
Blu-Ray was nothing more than an attempt by Sony to own the entire media production cycle from content creation through to encoding, licencing, disk manufacture and playback devices. It's also incredibly customer unfriendly. If Blu-Ray wins, we all lose.
As for Microsoft, they were a founder member of the HD-DVD group so they are hardly meddling in the market.
But I do agree with you on one point, Microsoft definitely sees XBox Live as the way of delivering high definition content to the home. The market is theirs to take and they'd be foolish to lose the download market to Apple for a second time.
By Neil HoskinsPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:30 GMT
I'm actually starting to think that this bluray/HD battle is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Comparisons with the VHS/Betamax thing are really not valid because now we have many other methods of recording, storing, and delivering. OK, no chance of fibre-to-the-door anytime soon, so I suppose we'll be buying hi-def pre-recorded films on them for a while. But other applications? Writeable disks? Absolutely no way, with flash memory getting so cheap and reliable. RW disks were always a complete shambles, and not compatible between different readers. CDR and DVDR are just as bad: they take ages to write with a low success rate. Quite a few people have DVD-RAM recorders for their TV now, but the hard-disk recorders are now cheaper and far more clever.
I have to take a 300MB database file home this evening, and I've just given up after five attempts to burn it to a CDR and have bluetoothed it to the flash card in my phone.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:57 GMT
This was reported SO long ago its not even funny. This article should have dust on it by now.
Bay feels that it should be out on all formats as that is where his work will get the most exposure - and fair play to him for wanting that.
@Anon
He IS directing Transformers 2, and played a part in resigning the screenwriters from the first movie.
@Frank Bough,
OFC! I should have known! Something isn't going the way someone wants so lets BLAME MICROSOFT!! Obviously you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. HDDVD is doing perfectly well without MS 360 addon sales, and more HDDVD's are being sold per player owner than BD's.
Yes I own a 360 Elite. Guess what? I run Linux on my laptop which sits next to my PS3 and 40" Sony Bravia.
By JoergPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 15:34 GMT
@Jason The Saj: You are wrong, instead. DVD can hold a maximum of 8.2GB of data approx. 16GB since when, in you dreams perhaps !?
Exactly, CDs maximum capacity was/is 700MB which means that they are roughly 6 times smaller than DVD-5 and 12 times smaller than DVD-9. This ratio holds with Blu-Ray discs Vs DVDs since a BD-25 is roughly 6 times bigger than a DVD-5 and a BD-50 is roughly 12 times bigger than a DVD-5.
So, what is your point ? DVD weren't needed as well, uh ?
What do people need, DRM downloadable content on Microsoft servers playable only on Microsoft trusted devices which gives no rights to customers other than keep paying and never own a copy of the content ? Do you work for Microsoft, perhaps ?
By Andy BrightPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 16:55 GMT
They're better, but even now tv resolution is once again outpacing media. Neither format has the capacity to make use of 2160p or whatever comes along after that.
Both formats should be regarded as an intermediatory stage, while we wait for either gigabit internet downloading to living room media players to become the norm, or disk capacity of at least 1 terabyte.
When we have the equivalent of a netapp replacing our old-fashioned dvrs then we'll have finally got somewhere.
By Bad BeaverPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 17:46 GMT
I don't give a rat's ass about what Michael Bay thinks. He regularly insults the brains of the paying audience with crappy movies that all look 98% alike. That is unless he gets someone else to direct his retarded "vision" of a classic. If he could just shut up please.
By Scottie TaylorPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 21:03 GMT
so Bay is directing the next TF movie? Damn. I had my hopes up for a minute there when someone posted that he wasn't. I was hoping against hope that there might be some redemption from that first piece of crap that was Michael Bay's Transformers. I guess not. Oh well. I still have my original series DVDs and G1/G2 comics from the different continuities so I'll happily boycott that piece of shit when it comes out.
By Jason HarveyPosted Thursday 25th October 2007 21:49 GMT
cause I'm not a lemming that I should follow every new thing on the shelf. My dvds work fine and have the content I want and I can sit 2 feet away from the screen and be immersed in it. of course I don't have that big screen for parties, but that's what some of my friends are for ;-)
besides... my place wouldn't do well for a party anyhow (too small).
once the format wars are over... or the next big format comes out that really makes a big difference... then maybe I'll "upgrade"
By Scott MckenziePosted Friday 26th October 2007 10:10 GMT
..as has already been stated this was first reported in early September, it then followed up by a very hasty retreat from Michael Bay stating that wasn't what he intended etc etc and that he would do Transformers 2.... is it really that hard to get facts right?
As for the MS paying for the deal, that too was rubbish
As is the fact that BR is better, they use the same codecs, they're identical.... one presently has a pointlessly larger disc as you can't get the advanced content on to take advantage of it and equally the advanced content available for BR is so complex it takes up eons more space on a disk than the stuff on HD DVD and as such the disc size advantage summounts to nothing!
If you like either buy them (or even both!), if you don't, don't... it really is that simple.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Friday 26th October 2007 10:30 GMT
Yes, there were reports back in September. Then, if you were actually paying any attention, Paramount had a little chat with him and brought him back on message.
This is NEW news that he's gone back to his BluRay loving ways. Not entirely unconnected with discussions going on with Jerry Bruckheimer and Buena Vista, I suspect.
The Paramount "bribery" money did not come from Microsoft, but Toshiba, so you can all stop blaming Ballmer. And start explaining how this is any different to the way Sony have paid all mastering and pressing costs for Fox and Paramount until that announcement.
Comments on: Transformers director favours Blu-ray Disc
Minor correction: #
By Iain Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:03 GMT
Welcome to September #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:09 GMT
I hate to agree with Michael Bay... #
By Frank Bough Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:16 GMT
.....turned down the role of directing Transformers 2 as he's so pissed. #
By TeeCee Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:49 GMT
Could have been 400,000 #
By Tom Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 12:55 GMT
Both are wrong.. #
By Jason The Saj Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:16 GMT
@Frank #
By Mike Richards Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:17 GMT
How important is this? #
By Neil Hoskins Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:30 GMT
Errrm... #
By Sy Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:37 GMT
Time Travelling Robots ? #
By Jamie White Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:41 GMT
For God's Sake Get Your Facts Right! #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 13:57 GMT
@teecee #
By Cliff Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 15:13 GMT
You are wrong... #
By Joerg Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 15:34 GMT
Both formats have too little storage capacity #
By Andy Bright Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 16:55 GMT
Frankly... #
By Bad Beaver Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 17:46 GMT
Re: For God's Sake Get Your Facts Right! #
By Alex Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 20:16 GMT
Re:For God's Sake Get Your Facts Right! #
By Scottie Taylor Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 21:03 GMT
HD #
By Jach Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 21:22 GMT
Re: For God's Sake Get Your Facts Right! #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 21:39 GMT
and I still just use DVDs on my 19" screen #
By Jason Harvey Posted Thursday 25th October 2007 21:49 GMT
Alarmingly poor reporting... #
By Scott Mckenzie Posted Friday 26th October 2007 10:10 GMT
Alarmingly poor comments #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Friday 26th October 2007 10:30 GMT