By Senor BeavisPosted Monday 9th June 2008 10:38 GMT
Sad news about the mutt, but I'm intrigued: how does a pirate DVD smell different to a legit one? I'm genuinely interested if anyone knows how the dogs can be trained to differentiate.
I expect the MPAss.A found that the dog's dam and sire had made a unauthorised copy of themselves. Imagine their horror when they discovered that if you put two products together, before long they'll create another one - for free! With no regard to the intellectual property rights of their owner or the distorting effect copying themselves could have on the market. Obviously, the unauthorised copy had to be destroyed.
You heard it here first: when MPAss.A executives discover that human beings are capable of this unauthorised reproduction as well, they will lobby to ban sex. And probably win.
By Luke WellsPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:16 GMT
How can a dog smell illegal files/movies/music?
Maybe disc manufacturers / DVD-Writer manufacturers have been secretly working together to make drives that detect copywrited material is being recorded and somehow get the disc to smell like pie and chips?
By Simon BallPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:24 GMT
A single DVD may not have a strong scent, but a very large number of them might. And if they're in a place where they aren't officially acknowledged as being - for example a shipping container that doesn't have DVDs on the manifest - then examination is not unreasonable.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:24 GMT
They don't need to know if they are legit or not (think BitTorrent ?) if they are being smuggled then they must be illegal by definition, and worth £15.99 per disc...
It doesn't matter whether the disks can be determined to be pirated or legit by smell. If you import thousands of disks for sale you need to pay tax on them. Do you honestly think the pirates put "10,000 DVDs" on their manifest? Really? No, so if your dog sniffs out 10,000 DVDs in a box that says it doesn't have 10,000 DVDs in it then you can bet it's worth a closer gander.
By stranger on the roadPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:34 GMT
but the similarity, in otherwords, if someone is trying to ship a package marked as "cloth" or "books" yet the dogs can smell DVD's in there, then they will open that package to check what it contains.
note, just my thoughts, don't know in this is how it is done.
I have a pack of blank Dvds opened last month, they still have a strong smell. The manafacturers use different dyes but there must be a common base for them with the cheap discs pirates will use.
Not that they can say it is pirated, but I doubt people smuggle them on a plane. Shipping it in a container makes more sense, and dogs would show up wrongly labeled cargo, or be able to search warehouses for hidden stashes.
The sellers can earn more for their boss than by dealing drugs/running a cannabis farm, and the criminal charges are nothing compared to dealing class A or B. Everyones a winner
By Anonymous CowardPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:36 GMT
Of course it's not a scare tactic, in the same ways as drug-sniffer dogs at airports, trained to find particular suitcases not drugs, aren't a scare tactic.
FTA: "They were trained to smell chemicals used in the production of CDs and although they could not distinguish genuine CDs from pirated ones, they were to help enforcement teams sniff out hidden discs."
By Samuel WalkerPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:38 GMT
I remember reading somewhere that the chemicals used in Recordable and Rewriteable disks (AKA the kind that the RIAA thinks MUST mean you're a pirate) are different to the disks pressed in a factory.
By James GreenhalghPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:39 GMT
It couldn't... A major national newspaper was about to break the story this morning, the dog found out and realising the scandal and damage it would cause to his career took the only way it out it could think of. We only really have the media to blame for this SENSELESS tragedy.
His wife and children have passed on their thanks for support during this tough time.
Maybe they don't smell the difference between pirate and legit? #
By ThomasPosted Monday 9th June 2008 11:39 GMT
Perhaps either they are just meant to find any hidden stash of media so as to aid other police investigations or the MPAA have decided that from henceforth anyone that owns any disc and does not pay them £36/week for the privilege is in breach of the license under which they temporarily 'possess' the intellectual content that is transiently carried on its surface?
I'm guessing it was trained to smell for the dyes used in recordable discs, dyes which wouldn't be present in pressed discs. Even I have noticed a curious and distinctive odour when opening a fresh pack of blank discs. It's quite pleasant actually...ooh, look at the colours...of that dancing elk...flurb...
A quick Google turned this up on AssociatedContent.com
"Lucky and Flo's skills are unique: they are the only dogs in the world that can smell DVDs. The smell probably comes from the resins and polycarbonates used in their production and the dogs are determined to find them, wherever they are. They can't tell which are pirated of course, but they can certainly find ones that have been hidden."
So they don't sniff for pirated disks, just help the MPAA find hidden ones. Hell, if PCSOs are involved in the raid, they probably need help to find the ones sitting on the coffee table straight infront of them.
I imagine it will find any DVDs, but the genuine ones are in the boxes labelled DVDs, and the pirate ones are in the boxes labelled Tractor spares or whatever... Its a pretty good bet that any DVDs witghout good documentation are smuggled pirates...
Disks which are able to be burned use a different set of chemicals then ones that are pressed/stamped. The dogs could detect the chemicals. (Although I seem to recall them not being hugely accurate, but what is a couple of false positives when it comes to the EVILS of burning your own disk.)
>>I agree, how can they smell the difference between pirate and legit?<<
HMV used to be called 'His Master's Voice' with a logo of a little doggy looking down the tube of a phonograph horn? Now we know what they were training doggy to do.
By Jeff DeaconPosted Monday 9th June 2008 12:38 GMT
Given that persons of the religious persuasion that is dominant in Malaysia have a religious mandate against dogs (try asking a blind person with a guide dog who has attempted to make a taxi journey in some parts of the UK or USA), it is surely not surprising that the dog came to a swift end.
"trained to smell for the dyes used in recordable discs" #
By MarkPosted Monday 9th June 2008 13:40 GMT
What about the PROFESSIONAL bootlegs? The ones where the outsourced factory pressing legitimate DVD's run off an extra run at quiet time? The ones sold for profit (because the manufacturing cost of a DVD is about 20p but sell like hotcakes at a 500% markup)?
Well, of course these people have money, so they go after the ones who make up the small fraction of disks copied with consumer grade equipment.
"Police named the disc-sniffing mutt was as Manny"
Me speak not English. Editor (usual) sleepy?
Damn, I gotta check how is my football team's captain doing. His name is Manny, and he's Asian, and he's a mutt, and I haven't heard from him in a while... (I don't know whether he can sniff DVDs though).
By StopthePropagandaPosted Monday 9th June 2008 19:14 GMT
but i suppose under some byzantine new law, any Word or Excel or Powerpoint doc that is backed up to CD isn't "mine" either since I don't 'own" the program that wrote it..or the thoughts that went into it since the "words" are owned by some other entity...
By DanielPosted Wednesday 11th June 2008 09:51 GMT
Surely the majority of legit discs are stamped and the non legit are burnt (as a rule of thumb)
Or are we talking about sophisticated pirates who u actually have the professional tools to make stamped DVD's rather then buying blank discs and burning them?
Comments on: Police probe pirate-DVD detecting dog's demise
Trained to find Disks !?! #
By Mark Sadler Posted Monday 9th June 2008 10:31 GMT
How the...? #
By Senor Beavis Posted Monday 9th June 2008 10:38 GMT
O-kay... #
By dervheid Posted Monday 9th June 2008 10:49 GMT
Eh?... Doh! #
By Dan Posted Monday 9th June 2008 10:51 GMT
Turns up in a chow mein. #
By Mark Posted Monday 9th June 2008 10:52 GMT
Copying #
By Spleen Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:04 GMT
Dogs trained to find Disks....... #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:10 GMT
Really?? #
By Barn Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:13 GMT
what the hell? #
By Luke Wells Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:16 GMT
It's not the DVD's they smell #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:18 GMT
Perhaps #
By Anonymous John Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:21 GMT
Possible #
By Simon Ball Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:24 GMT
@Barn etc. #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:24 GMT
Re: Smells of piracy #
By Ross Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:33 GMT
it is not the difference is smell #
By stranger on the road Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:34 GMT
Smell #
By peter Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:35 GMT
Scare tactic #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:36 GMT
Re:Really #
By Eponymous Cowherd Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:37 GMT
RTFA #
By Rhyd Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:37 GMT
Don't quote me on this but #
By Samuel Walker Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:38 GMT
Mass Re: How can it tell... #
By James Greenhalgh Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:39 GMT
Maybe they don't smell the difference between pirate and legit? #
By Thomas Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:39 GMT
They don't... #
By Test Man Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:39 GMT
It's sad. #
By Destroy All Monsters Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:43 GMT
Obviously... #
By Matt Posted Monday 9th June 2008 11:53 GMT
Obvious really... #
By XDDX Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:00 GMT
Simple. They can't #
By John P Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:02 GMT
> How it finds Pirate DVDs #
By JimC Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:04 GMT
Disc smell #
By Giles Jones Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:18 GMT
@ Barn "Scare Tactic" #
By Mike Crawshaw Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:22 GMT
@Barn #
By Chris Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:27 GMT
remember...? #
By Maty Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:28 GMT
Burnt or pressed #
By Hedley Phillips Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:29 GMT
They detect... #
By Barry Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:32 GMT
Should have known better #
By Jeff Deacon Posted Monday 9th June 2008 12:38 GMT
WTF do pirate CDs and DVDs SMELL OF? #
By Mark Posted Monday 9th June 2008 13:35 GMT
"trained to smell for the dyes used in recordable discs" #
By Mark Posted Monday 9th June 2008 13:40 GMT
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 15:01 GMT
Must have been suicide. #
By MS Posted Monday 9th June 2008 15:58 GMT
@Mark #
By Adam Williamson Posted Monday 9th June 2008 17:02 GMT
Obviously #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 17:10 GMT
Wo? #
By J Posted Monday 9th June 2008 17:44 GMT
hand over the backups and no one gets hurt! #
By StopthePropaganda Posted Monday 9th June 2008 19:14 GMT
Maybe... #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Monday 9th June 2008 20:33 GMT
the difference... #
By Daniel Posted Wednesday 11th June 2008 09:51 GMT