Pro? As in Professional?

Its a *toy*, for pity's sake!

What next? Professional Barbie dolls? Play Doh Pro? My Little Pony Enterprise Edition?

Mines the one with the Pro Stickle Bricks in the pocket.

Where do they even find HDs so small these days, when you can get 250GB (a tiddler) for £30, 500GB for an extra tenner on top of that, or go the whole hog and get a TB for a ton? Is it that they take the HDs no-one else wants any more, so they get them for free?

According to a computer games site - there is a rumor flying round that MS are releasing a new xbox in 2009.

This features a quad core cpu , 1TB hdd , new cpu/gpu combo die and BLU RAY - all in a fat wii shaped box.

Again, this is a rumor - take it with a pinch.

Tux, cause MS dont care about piracy only stopping you running him.

hmm tasty, will the starter model have hdmi output on then?

Need I say more?

Surely a 250Gb drive would be a bit more up to date if they're going to increase the capacity?

Either that or allow people to fit their own... oh wait no that would be too easy...

As in, they're *paying to get fecked*!

"Pro? As in Professional? Its a *toy*, for pity's sake! What next? Professional Barbie dolls? Play Doh Pro? My Little Pony Enterprise Edition?"

MacBook pro?

providing a nice easy way of transferring data from one drive to another.

If i buy a 60GB or 120GB drive i want to be able to copy the contents over from my last one nice and easily. How hard can it be?

Yep, Pro, it's a premium with HDMI.

Pro is used everywhere in equally ridiculous places, especially hardware, IE, I had a radeon 9800 pro, a 'professional' pc graphics card, they certainly exist, but the 9800 wasnt one, obviously, it was primarily for gaming

that sounds good!

waiting for pro lego

Prolapse

The title did say it was leaking...

Please, every VGA card group (for the last oh-so-many-years) had their "pro" members, why no for a console?

Ah, this looks a bargain for us PS3 owners. I can get the same sized hard disk for less than £40, but silly me that's internal. I'm sure if I look at external ones it'll be far cheaper

So it's £76 for a proprietary 120GB drive? Awesome, wish I was invited to that party

No Blue Ray or Wireless N ? Damn!

So there's the Elite, the Arcade, the Premium (or is that now obsolete?), the Pro, then there's the 360 Home Basic, 360 Home Premium, 360 Enterprise Edition, 360 Business, 360 Ultimate, 360 Server...

They do like their choices over at Microsoft, don't they?

I'll take a PS3 anyday, they've got the ability to grow in size.

Pathetic Rip Off

[quote]Ah, this looks a bargain for us PS3 owners. I can get the same sized hard disk for less than £40, but silly me that's internal. I'm sure if I look at external ones it'll be far cheaper

So it's £76 for a proprietary 120GB drive? Awesome, wish I was invited to that party

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lol & point at the PS3 Fangirl.

You seem to forget that the 360 doesn't need a big hard drive!

No 1+Gb installs (which ultimately defeats the point of having a games console) just to play a game.

ahh no I need a PS3 for that

How about we just skip the product completely and launch something called iPro! It begins with "i" so it's gonna be as popular as the iPod and it's the Pro version, so it must be better than the standard drivel!

Mines the iCoat Pro!

Probably quite easy. You'll need a couple of 2.5" USB HD cases to put your drives in temporarily - about 20 quid each, if you shop around, and a Live Linux distro such as Kubuntu or DSL (assuming you're not already running Linux).

The "Probably" is there because I'm assuming that the drives are going to be using a standard filesystem. If they're not, then it could get interesting. But, even then, you could still make a straight backup of the disk using the Linux dd command.

As Marc pointed out, no blu-ray and wireless is an optional extra, its also far too noisy - I ditched my XBox 360 at the weekend and brought a PS3.

£76? Hardly. You should know by now that US prices and UK ones mysteriously fail to match up on hardware. At the moment, a 120GB drive for the 360 will set you back £129.99 at your friendly neighbourhood GAME store. If the percentage discount applied is the same over here, we'll still be looking at north of £100 for a hard drive that barely counts as 'large' by today's standards.

Which is why I'm stuck with the old 20GB drive on my 360, while I just picked up an upgrade to 250GB for my PS3 for a much more reasonable price of about fifty quid. Which is a shame, because I'd really rather have the drive sizes the other way round.

***"Please, every VGA card group (for the last oh-so-many-years) had their "pro" members, why no for a console?"***

I suppose "XBox 360 Pro" is more marketable than "XBox 360 fanboi edition". ;-)

Barbie dolls on the game?

how much for a plastichand job?

hanging around Lego town street courners, dressed provocatively, trying to pick up Star Wars characters for business?

does it cost an extra 20 gold coins from the Playmobile pirate set if GI Joe wants to take her up the Gary?

Either you go the Microsoft way and have to pay insane prices for a tiny HDD, overly restrictive DRM and a monthy fee just to play online (not even MMO, just normal multiplayer)

Or you go the sony way and have to fork out for an expensive BD drive that play a very limited selection of overpriced discs that give you a sligthy better picture and much worse DRM than standard DVDs.

Then they are wondering why the Wii is a success and punters continue to buy cheap PS2s by the truckload...

"Microsoft is to release a 60GB version of the troubled Xbox 360 this month, if an allegedly leaked email from the software giant is to be believed."

the 360 is still unreliable junk, and it's only saving grace, is the early launch (which caused the unrelability) gave it a few more games than the competition.

Shouldn't Microsoft be spending it's resources making the 360 more reliable, and perhaps fitting better quality components, rather than fitting even cheaper components, and reducing the price?

And before the usual idiots come along claiming that the 360 is reliable, it's not, even the latest Falcons fail way more than the industry standard (15-20% is rumoured)...

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/07/07/xbox-360-elite-now-suffering-from-red-ring-of-death/

> XBox 360 fanboi edition

I want one! But only if it only allows me to play XBox360-exclusive games.

I've still got about 4GB left on my original 20GB 360 HD - I could fit a whole PS3 game install on that.

Maybe we'll see an Xbox 360 Elite Pro next.

Built in WiFi would be nice, if my phone can have wifi then I'm sure they can fit it in a 360.

If MS went for Blu-Ray they'd have to put a decent speed drive in. The main reason you need the game installs on the PS3 is because the drive is too slow to stream stuff.

The proprietry xbox hardware is a bit of a joke though, I want to be able to use any 2.5" drive or be able to transfer files about with memory sticks.

Paris, because she must have an opinion on size.

"USB HD cases...Live Linux distro...standard filesystem...backup of the disk...Linux dd command"

Sounds like a doddle. I love the way consoles are so much simpler than computers. No faffing, just put your game in, turn it on and play.</jaded git sarcasm>

I'm not tech averse. But there's a time and a place for hardware config settings and soforth. A games console is not that place. Witness the popularity of the Wii. KISS.

Mine's the Wii Coat peripheral for playing Flash games with.

"You seem to forget that the 360 doesn't need a big hard drive!"

I don't know what sort of 360 you got, but I went for the one which allows me to download lots of XBLA titles, and now HD movies and old XBox games onto the hard drive.

Only it doesn't, because after downloading a single XBox game (Psychonauts, which I missed out on the first time round) I haven't got enough space for anything else. And I'm buggered if I'm shelling out £130 for a larger hard drive.

As I said, I have *more* need for HD space on the 360 than I do on the PS3, even with one hefty game install (MGS4) on there.

I'm a 360 owner and to be honest I'm amazed at how MS when faced with an open goal to start with and did so well initially, havent been able to put a foot right with the 360 for 18 months or more.

Daft decisions with over priced and under-specced hardrives. Lack of any real firmware updates that give value features. No real HD support. No exciting new gaming/control hardware. The lack of updates is a big worry.

You know its over for the 360. MS must now be working round the clock to bring out the next console.

Dissapointing. lets just hope they make it a one box deal so its a standard platform all round. Tired of being held back due to a small percentage not having HD's or some other feature in their Xbox. I'm not blaming those consumers by the way.

Ah, the first person to rise to the bait.

But since you brought it up, I'm quite content with a base install for a game thanks. You continue to load things on a slower optical drive (compared to a HD) if you like. I had to hack my PS2 to do this trick, but I get it gratis on the PS3 and quite happy about it.

You can request a migration kit to easily transfer between drives from M$ ,its free (at least for people who buy elites and already own a premium) and arrives in about 10 days (takes an hour to do). My launch 360 lasted untill last month before RROD and was turned round in a day+ carriage non too shabby tbh. The report with it had boxs for motherboard and dvd drive ticked, odd seeing as I had never once had issues with the drive, essentially I have a new 360 in the old box.

If you know an M$ employee 120gb drives are £40 as they get them at cost... ummmmm profit.

The 360 caches game data on the hdd if it is present, sorry sony fanboi.

There are plenty of nice useful changes to ms firmware in its updates, and minor changes in policy, you can now move the DRM locking in DLC to a different console once a year.

The PS3 still costs too much and who cares if it plays blu-ray, I have no interest in paying a premium for hi-def, when you can get 3 blu-rays for £20 then maybe. I remember the same argument for value when the ps2 was £400 and who the hell uses that as their main dvd player?

Don't be fooled by the Microsoft shills. The PS3's BD Drive is actually faster than the 360's DVD.

The facts:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1021813&postcount=1

> hanging around Lego town street courners, dressed provocatively,

OMG the letter "u" is multiplying and it will soon take over the world!! In Reg tradition, should we now welcome our new "u" overlords? ;) or something like that...

I mean, I've seen colours, honours, favours, and harbours (as opposed to colors, honors, favors, and harbors), but I had never encountered "courners" before.

Is that *really* how corner is spelled over there in Britain? Google has not been helpful.

Pardon my ignorance - I'm merely a lowly American peasant and we are untrained in the ways (and spellings) of other countries. ;)

(Aside: just think of all the money that could be saved by British newspapers etc., if they didn't have to print all those extra letter "u" everywhere... millions of 'em a year...)

>I'm merely a lowly American peasant

Yes,yes now run along and do whatever it is that you colonialists do. As a special treat I will throw you a spare 'u' as you seem to be in the habit of losing them, try to look after this one.

:)

About that post on the other thread.

Hang on if i stopped reading thereg at all then maybe i wouldnt be so bitter?

Then again there is the people in the real world that hate me too.

Bugger.

Anyone for a mojito?

why Americans are hanging around Xbox articles as Anonynmous Cowards... I wonder how much Microsoft is paying them..

Please go back to your biased American media...

They are prices for 3.5" drives, not 2.5"

...for Gods sake, grow up.

If your console is so great, why not try playing games on it, rather than trying to hijack threads with puerile and juvenile comments?

I have a 360 and have used it heavily for the last 18 months. I've had no technical issues so far, and love playing it. If it RRODs, I'll send it back to Microsoft and get it repaired / replaced. Its not a problem.

I had the opportunity to buy a PS3 about a month ago and was quite close to doing so at one point. I'd actually like to have the 360 and a PS3 side by side, so that I could choose the best games on each system and play them as required.

What stopped me? Well, the more I researched it, the more I realised that the PS3 just didn't represent value for money in my eyes..(at this moment in time). These were the stumbling blocks that I could see:

- the lack of backward compatibility with PS1 / PS2, (OK, I have a PS1 & PS2 and could use them to play my games - however, my living room is not the size of the QEII and my TV only has so many AV inputs. I already have my GC, PS2, Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 hooked up and my wife complains about the space taken up by games consoles as it is...)

- the price (if I bought the console, I'd essentially be paying for not only a games console, but also a Blu-Ray player that I don't want. I don't care whether its the cheapest way to get a Blu-Ray player...I don't want one thanks).

- the catalogue of games, (barring a handful of good titles on PS3 that are platform specific, the rest of the half-decent PS3 games are available on the system I already own. I can't justify spending £350 for a PS3 and a couple of good games)

- the poor online gaming service, (it may be free, which is a good thing, but I've heard its disappointing and that matchmaking with friends tends to be difficult)

- the generally poor way that Sony has treated its European customers over the last few years.

I generally end up buying all of each generations' consoles in the end, so I will probably end up getting a PS3 at some point. However, the way things are looking, it won't be for some time, (and may even be when its price drops just before PS4 is released...whenever that might be).

I guess my point is - whatever console you own, enjoy it - don't spend your time trying to score points against other systems and their owners - whatever they have, it meets their needs and they are obviously happy with it.

You're an cretin.

The PS3 does everything better than the 360, even plays 360 games bester.

Aren't you just doing the same thing by posting your huge list of 'reasons I don't own a PS3'? I mean, I agree with your eventual point and policy of buying all the consoles where possible, but the bit that goes before it looks like more of the sort of fanboy bile you're arguing against - and some of it's woefully inaccurate (or at best highly subjective) in the first place.

And it's not like the thread had really been hijacked by PS3 fanboys anyway, aside from a couple of comments that can be ignored quite easily.

>You're an cretin.

>The PS3 does everything better than the 360, even plays 360 games bester.

I nearly fell for that then I realise you had been at the TWAT-O-TRON so saved myself from falling for a troll :)

I didn't find it

when I realised he simply had no clue what he was talking about.

I mean the idiot even claimed that PS3 does not play PS1 games.

Everyone knows every single one does, and it's the PS2 games that were taken out of the later models, to make it cheaper for the tight-asses...