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Comments on: Firm touts anti-radiation chip for phones

So it's finally here...? 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 17:28 GMT

They've been plugging this like forever.

I can't imagine the R n D costs of snake oil are that high. Why so long to bring it to market?

"how the users brain heated up" 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 17:38 GMT

Go

Er, that's not what the pictures show at all. It shows the *skin surface* heated up. That may seem a minor detail, but how do we know the skin warming wasn't caused by a fridge-sized 150kW pulsed chemical laser half a mile away?

Utter Nonsense 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 17:48 GMT

Flame

For a start, if you want to block waves heading into your brain, wouldn't it be better on the side of the phone that goes against your face/head, rather than the side pointing outwards?

Anyway if it blocks the waves, how exactly does your phone connect a call in the first place?

This doesn't even make sense........ 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 17:53 GMT

If it actually worked it would kill your cell's signal, wouldn't it? I think if anything it might actually reflect the signal back given the placement in the picture. I think you'd be better off to wrap you cell in tinfoil.........

mine's the silver shiny one....

Snake oil 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 17:54 GMT

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Nuff said.

Those thermal images look photoshopped to me.

Oh for crying out loud.. 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:04 GMT

Flame

When El Reg posts a story such as this I expect it to be firmly tongue-in-cheek and the product itself comprehensively ridiculed. Reading the article I see no evidence of such ("sceptical" ? You should be laughing off the edge of the bar) so I must either assume he's playing it straighter than the Conchords or else just simply lacks the basic physics that would let anyone know this product is the snake-oil of the most distilled variety.

Let's take a step-by-step:

It claims to neutralise radiation emanating from the phone. Mobile phones *work* by emitting radiation. It's their basic principal of operation. If this device worked as claimed it would render the phone useless for it's primary use.

It's also claimed that this chip emits ""a quantum physical information wave” towards your brain" to eliminate the phone's evil outpourings.

* There's no such thing as "quantum physical information wave”.

* I doubt very much that such a thing, it's non-existence aside, could be focussed.

* How the hell does this device know where my brain is ?

That's an awful lot of tech to be contained in something that looks like nothing more than a green sticker.

And whilst I'm worked up: The thermal images don't show anyone's brain being heated up by phone usage. They show the surface of the skin on someone's face emitting various levels of (possibly IR) radiation. You need more that a heat sensitive camera to accurately measure the temperature of the inside of someone's bonce.. what with the skull being so thick and all. Doubly so, it would seem, with this articles author.

All in all.. there is no bloody way this should have made it into print except as a joke... sort it out please someone.. have a word. This standard of journalism is more suited to Bella and not otherwise well-respected El Reg that we all know and love.

These type of scams have been around for years! 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:05 GMT

Stop

If anything, "canceling" a wave (which is an extremely dumbed-down description) is going to excite the molecules and PRODUCE heat!

Remember folks, today's Top Tip is:

Energy cannot be destroyed!

I've been using interference technology 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:09 GMT

to keep my brain cool for a while now. I call it a "hat'. It also has the advantage of hiding my bald spot.

Still this will get me a hot, if slightly suspicious, babe to literally hang around me so I suppose it has something going for it.

would sir also like to buy 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:10 GMT

Flame

... anti meteorite-strike ointment - guaranteed to protect you in the event of a large meteor striking you.

I'm sure someone else will say it first 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:14 GMT

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But if it cancels out all the phone's radiation, the phone isn't going to work.

I can do this for free just by removing the battery.

I just fell off my chair...... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:16 GMT

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hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha.......

Yep... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:21 GMT

Flame

And filling your underpants with Horse Sh*t will make you more fertile (well, it works on my roses!).

Visualise this... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:22 GMT

Paris Hilton

[Picture of Jean-Luc Picard doing facepalm ->] HERE

[Caption: "Not this shit again" -> ] HERE

//Paris because she's used to being stiffed

As viable a business opportunity... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:23 GMT

... as spraying a bit of foam over some trees in a muddy field in the New Forest, claiming it's like Lapland and charging £25 a pop.

Can I buy shares in their company?

And maybe go faster stripes do actually make you go faster after all.

hummmm 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:23 GMT

Stop

If those are thermal images taken during a call, where is the phone and the hand that is holding it? Just asking...

So... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:23 GMT

Flame

Sounds like someone picked up a batch of those stickers that were being sold a few years ago purporting to increase signal strength and found a new use for them.

Find the company president, lock him in a room where he is continually bombarded with EM radiation at dangerous levels, and give him as many stickers as he'd like to repel the threat. See how long it takes for him to renounce his company's claims.

Bwah! 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:33 GMT

Pirate

A "quantum physical information wave." Wow. Some folks will believe anything.

I'm in the wrong damn business.

Neutralise harmfull rays? 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:37 GMT

Alien

Well, the best way, short of turning it off and not using it would be to use one of my (patend pending) lead Xpress-on covers. blocks 99.99% of harmfull radiation. side affects may include complete loss of signal and lead poisoning.

Mines the Quantum E-Wave Alien, because using words Mr J Public doesn't understand in advertising blurb doesn't mean it exists

"a Belgian firm’s latest offering may put your mind at ease..." 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 18:58 GMT

Boffin

If you're credulous enough to actually buy one of these things, I suspect that you haven't got much of a mind to -put- at ease.

Can I Interest You In Some Prime Florida Wterfront Property? 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:09 GMT

Coat

At least, it's wet, and has allig... quaint marine fauna.

Check the scales 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:13 GMT

Those images are suspiciously low-res. If you're feeling bored tomorrow, I'd suggest emailing them to ask for the originals. They look like the colour scale is different on each.

I love the smell of snake oil in the morning 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:15 GMT

Mobile phones emit electromagnetic waves. It is the close proximity of the electromagnetic waves to the head which is supposedly the cause of the alleged temperature increase.

You place a patch on the back of the phone, and somehow that is able to prevent radiation from reaching your head (how else could it prevent the alleged temperature increase), but does not stop the radiation from reaching the cell site some possible miles away.

And the patch is not placed in any particular way, and it's installed on the far side of the phone's antenna from your head, and it's somehow able to work at the different radiation frequencies without any change.

Results 1 - 10 of 10 for "quantum physical information wave" (articles about this product)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,180,000 for "snake oil"

Results 1 - 10 of about 3,060 for "fear in advertising"

Oh dear... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:16 GMT

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Such things have been around for ages - I remember a cow-orker trying to sell me a similar device [shaped like a ladybird] that you supposedly clipped to a random part of your anatomy and it somehow deflected the evil E-M waves from mobile phones as well as protecting you from harmful TV/radio transmissions, magnetic influences from pylons, spells cast by witches and alien mind-control rays.

Of course, if you do manage to reduce the overall radiation-efficiency of a current generation mobile-phone's antenna system, all that happens is that the phone cranks up the power in order to remain in touch with the base station.

Coat? Mine's the one with the '19-set High Power' in the poacher's pocket.

Hoax 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:26 GMT

Stop

This is a con and does not work. I have seen this several of these sort of hoaxes before. One was even advertised by the BBC news website, which they took down after finding out it was a pack of lies.

Mobile phones emit microwaves that can be stopped by a thin sheet of metal. Placing a metal shield between you and the phone was thought to work until researchers found that it didn't unless the shield was so big as to become unfashionable/impractical. Wrapping the phone in foil should do it, but then you won't get a signal.

Low-tech solution just as effective 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:38 GMT

Stop

No need for anything this sophisticated and (I suspect) expensive. A simple barrier made of conductive material deployed as a continuous surface between the cell phone transceiver aerial and your primary neurological nexus should attenuate hazardous EMF to a safe level.

See examples at http://tin-foil-hats.blogspot.com/

Sounds like crap 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:40 GMT

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Surely all this does is attenuate the signal a little and reduce the signal strength? Wrapping your phone in tin-foil probably works just as well for a fraction of the price.

Why? 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:48 GMT

Flame

Why promote this sort of crackpot bullshit on the Reg?

Anyone who believes this works or may "just want to give it a try" (WTF?) should just tape £35 to the outside of their phone. It will have exactly as much effect as the sticker on how much radiation is absorbed by their brain (i.e. eff all) and will make them look like just as much of an idiot without filling the pockets of the charlatans that sell them.

Been done before... about 10 years ago!! 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 19:57 GMT

Oh dear... Not another phone sticker... Atleast I suppose someone will buy it if they have any money left after sending it to their new girlfriend in Russia.

Hmmm 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 20:04 GMT

Joke

So my plan of having tin foil hates for the masses is coming together nicely I see. Let this company get people scared and charge a preimum for their chip while I grab a roll of Reynolds and make custom hats for a tenner each. Yippieee

Rubbish 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 20:22 GMT

Paris Hilton

Of course, the company will make enough out of people dense enough to buy it.

Alternatively, there is http://i38.tinypic.com/207001s.jpg

Or of course, you know... not using a phone.

One for The Bollocks Files 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 20:22 GMT

Boffin

"quantum physical information wave"? Do me a favour...

While I'm on, anybody fancy a quart of this here snake oil?

Cool 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 20:22 GMT

Coat

I can get one of thiese to go with my quantum laptop which runs xp with 4tB of superfast quantum memory.

mines the one with a mug in the pocket

Wow... 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 20:41 GMT

Alert

“a quantum physical information wave”

Bullshit-o-meter went up like crazy on this one, regardless of whether it actually works or not, mind you...

Huh? 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 20:42 GMT

Paris Hilton

Not that anything using the phrase "quantum physical information wave" is worth seriously considering in the first place, but what are those thermal images supposed to represent? Clearly there is no phone in the picture. Would they have us believe that a cell phone makes the skin on your face hotter even when it's not near your head? And apparently with the aid of this chip it phone calls actually cools your neck off, very nice.

Paris because even she could see this makes no sense.

The worrying part is 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 22:27 GMT

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The worrying part is that Omega Pharma really is a well respected company in Belgium. The gadget seems to be developed by people with high credentials. So either they are fooled themselves, or they are desperate and trying to cash in on their reputations.

Both options are equally disturbing.

Complete protection? 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 22:57 GMT

Heart

Will it stop phones from frying your balls as well?

Baby it's cold outside. 

Posted Tuesday 9th December 2008 23:38 GMT

1. Take the 1st picture,

2. have a 5 minutes phone call

3. take the 2nd picture

4. go out for 5 minutes, today is a good day for this

5. take the 3rd picture. My nose is a bit colder than at (1.) but my skin looks ok.

Fives years of research? Amateurs.

Mine is the one that shows blue on the thermal scan when it's snowing.

You spineless cowards! 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 00:23 GMT

Flame

>"Register Hardware is sceptical, to say the least!"

Pathetic. Let me spell it out for you:

The "E-Waves Phone Chip" is completely fraudulent; it does not do, nor even attempt to do, what the lying thieves who sell it claim that it does Any money the "inventors" claim for it is stolen.

If they disagree, please give them my IP address; I'll see them in court any day. Remember, in England, it's not libel if your criticism is true.

Oh, dear 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 03:10 GMT

Paris Hilton

"Remember, in England, it's not libel if your criticism is true." - Nor, discounting archaic and probably unconstitutional US state criminal libel law, is it anywhere else in the developed world, more or less.

As to the product, well, besides the dubious claim to neutralise radiation in a machine which relies on radiation (if it worked, in fact, the phone would just produce higher energy output, as it tried to establish a connection), these things aren't new. People have been making fun of them for almost a decade now.

Paris, 'cause, well, she probably has one.

Stupid people and their money will part ways.... 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 07:13 GMT

I'm sick of it.

No really, I'm sick of telling people not to buy into scams, and they're still too stupid to see it.

The Green CD pen was the last straw for me.

That's it, from now on, I'm going to whole-heartedly recommend crap, especially if it's a scam, simply because I can get a laugh at how stupid they are.

So there. This Green spot, is, really really good. Go out and buy it.

It's sold by a pharmaceutical company after all. That says it all.

Did I get the date wrong 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 07:56 GMT

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I must have gone through a quantum gate and mystically moved through time to April 1, 2009. Great April Fools joke! Unfortunately, someone might just buy one of these.

Peter

Is that 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 08:18 GMT

Gates Horns

Mr Gates in thermal images ?

Ha ha! 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 08:58 GMT

Coat

According to those who live in neighbouring countries, it's April 1st in Belgium all the year round.

Mine's the one with the quantum radiation interference shield in the pocket.

Maybe not... 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 09:04 GMT

Flame

@Robert Synnott:

"Paris, 'cause, well, she probably has one."?

Not if it's got any sharp edges!

Hmm 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 09:16 GMT

The zombie of Faraday will be heading straight to these morons.

Just wear a lead hat. With a wooden outer layer. Preferably under SIX FEET OF DIRT. Might as well tell us Religion A protects from electro magnetic waves.

Oh noes, the infrared is going to keel mee!

"quantum physical information wave" 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 09:46 GMT

Joke

Dear Nutcases,

your use of the words "quantum physical information wave" is probebrly patented by Apple Corp of America (Bullshit marketing dept). Please pay up or we will sue your ass.

Love Apple (Legal Team)

A gift for con merchants. 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 10:31 GMT

All they've got to do is look around for the mug with the sticker...

hmm 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 10:44 GMT

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just leave copies of the artice lying round the office and remind anyone you see with a green sticker on their phone about that £10 they owe you...

Sorry 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 10:45 GMT

Coat

As inhabitant of the silly country called Belgium I have to excuse my fellow countrymen for spreading this complete bullshit around. Please send some hitmen to them to make sure they don't do it again.

Mine's the one with the new foreign passport in the left pocket

Sausage Roll 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 10:55 GMT

Take a cocktail Sausage Roll

Place it in a microwave oven for 20 seconds

Pick it up.. It is still OK to touch

Take a bite into the meat and you will burn your tongue.

That is what happens with mobile phones. The soft tissue in our faces don't notice the effects. The more dense tissue of the scull and brain are affected more intensly.

Brilliant. 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 10:57 GMT

IT Angle

Just tried one, it really does work.

Yours,

S. Wonder (E-Waves CEO).

The purpose of this technology they do not understand 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 11:32 GMT

Alien

This technology from us have they stolen, but completely misunderstood it have they. Blocking of radiation does it not; relaying messages to Sirius the purpose of the Quantum Physical Information Wave is -- only thus the information faster than light can transmitted be.

Aetherius, custodian of Terra,

p.p. your Sirian overlords.

Whilst I firmly believe... 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 12:20 GMT

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... that mobile phones do emit radiation and prolonged use IS dangerous, the solution is NOT going to be a small sticker on the back of the phone.

Even the simplest idiot would note that the brain is on the other side of the phone from the sticker, sorry radiation cancelling device...

"quantum physical information wave" 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 13:01 GMT

Google shows just 14 hits for this phrase in the past year and 9 in the last week. It will be interesting to see if/how this picks up in the blogosphere.

@ Robert Mack 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 13:32 GMT

Boffin

Sorry Rob, you were in the right area but wrong answer.

Microwave Ovens are tuned to a particular wavelength (2.45GHz or 12.122cm).

When irradiated at this wavelength the O-H bond absorbs energy, vibrates more, and this causes whatever the O-H is attached to, to heat up.

Th O-H bond occurs in water, sugar and most fats as well as sme other organic matter. Skin is affected because it is mostly water and fat.

Bone is hardly affected at all and the brain is only going to be affected VERY close to where you hold the phone.

All this stuff about "cooks from the inside out" is bullshit.

"Nukes" cook the inside and outside at the same time but the power is considerably reduced the further into whatever you are cooking you measure it.

So, it cooks from the outside in (but less so than conventional ovens), does cook the skin and will fry your brain.

However, cellphones do not work at 2.45GHz so "microwaves" have less effect.

@900MHz the heating effect is hardly mesurable.

@1800MHz it is only slightly worse than 900MHz (same for 1900Mhz).

But are more at risk if your phone is WiFi enabled as 802.11b is around 2.45GHz so perhaps you should ditch that iPoop/N95. :-)

As for this sticker,........

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm sure some stupid suckers will fall for it.

I asked Santa... 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 13:46 GMT

Unhappy

...for a quantum physical information wave last Christmas.

I got a sealed lead box with a dead cat in it. Where's the fun in that?

Where's the hand? 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 13:53 GMT

Heh heh heh!

Anyway, where is the hand holding the phone in those "thermal images"? Or is the phone glued to the guy's head?

Next week: 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 14:06 GMT

A rival manufacturer proves that Quantum Physical Information Waves cause cancer in armadillos.

I see your steaming pile of bollocks and raise you a shitload of utter cobblers.

next 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 14:25 GMT

Coat

tin foil lined hats and lead lined underpants ( against comic radiation )

mines the one next to the sgn that reads 'welcome to the outside of the asylum'

*sigh* 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 14:28 GMT

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This has been in the main TV news here with little or no negative arguments - I bet this will be selling very well :(

Good to see that El Reg's grasp of basic science is as solid as ever... 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 14:47 GMT

Flame

as with "the Great Global Warming Conspiracy", so too with the "Harmful EM Radiation Shield".

Ever consider hiring at least one hack with a basic grounding in at science and scientific methods? Degree level will do, as long as it's a Real University rather than some jumped-up college of continuing adult education.

Bah 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 15:48 GMT

Word to the wise: If *anything* sold to the general public has the word "quantum" either in its name or in the "supporting" documentation, it is 99.999999999999999% sure of being a total fraudulent gyp. The other 0.000000000000001% isn't caused by truth, but by quantum mechanical uncertanties in the underlying universe and the display size of my calculator.

Write to the makers suggesting they can get a million dollars (now worth approximately 18 quid) by simply demonstrating to a team of appraisers working on behalf of the JREF challenge that this thing can do what the manufacturers say it can.

Quantum Prediction: The money is safe from this device.

Of course it works! 

Posted Wednesday 10th December 2008 16:01 GMT

Paris Hilton

For the definition of "works" which is "creates 29 Euro profit for Omega Pharma for each and every sticker sold".

Sheesh.

//Paris, because she knows how to make money off of stuff...

don't be to hard on the old el reg 

Posted Thursday 11th December 2008 13:27 GMT

all they did was miss the <scarcasm> and <\scarcasm> tags off the top and tail of the article

(if I got that wrong it is cos I am a real computer tech not a html coder)

I'll just do what the schizophrenic on Hollywood Blvd does... 

Posted Thursday 11th December 2008 15:29 GMT

Paris Hilton

and wear a tin-foil hat! It'll be good for stopping the CIA from beaming assassination orders directly into my brain also!

Jesus, there's a sucker born every minute!

Paris, because she looks good in foil.

To Big Boomer 

Posted Saturday 20th December 2008 18:19 GMT

Alert

Beware of talking down the heating effects of different radio frequencies. Domestic microwave ovens operate at 2.45 GHz for two main reasons:

a) The size of the resonant cavity and the cost-efficiency of producing the magnetron for that frequency are both close to ideal at 2.45 GHz.

b) The actual penetration depth at that frequency is in the cm range, the actual value depending on the salt content of the water but, again, ideal for food heating. The first resonant peak for the water molecule itself is above 1 THz and the highest peak is in the infrared range. Microwave ovens cook quickly because the penetration (to whatever depth) is immediate rather than the gradual with conventional heating. In practice though, a combination is used (the instruction to "stand for x minutes before serving" provides extra insurance that the heating-through process is as complete as it can be).

also, the frequency band around 2.45 GHz was one of the first pieces of radio spectrum globally assigned to ISM - Industrial, Scientific and Medical usage - well before there were such things as microwave ovens.

Actually, anywhere in the 900 MHz to 5 GHz range is technically fine for microwave cooking and some professional ovens (big ones) operate at 915 MHz. Remember also, that the medical treatment known as Diathermy (tissue heating) operates way down at 27 MHz (did someone mention CB radio?) while frequency-hopping Bluetooth devices are another user of the same spectrum.

The word "microwave" means nothing special other than "tiny wave". Depending on which text book you read, the microwave range starts as low as 300 MHz (the VHF/UHF boundary) or 1000 MHz (a nice round number). They're just radio waves which are the lowest energy part of the electromagnetic spectrum which goes on to include infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays.

Ron Schmitt's "Electromagnetics Explained" (pub: Newnes) is a good primer for those wishing to understand the phenomenon a bit and be able to debunk the quacks with their patches and crystals.