By Max 12Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 08:34 GMT
Hi there, great review. My headphones broke (again) from me being too rough with them and I am in the market for a new set.
Was wondering if you could quickly list the carrying cases that come with these? As a frequent business traveller I have broken so many bulky headphones (I HATE the ones that stick directly in the ear canal) due to the fact that either the carrying case was just a leatherish bag offering no real protection, or it was lacking any sort of case at all. Also do any of these come with any sort of volume or track controls on the chord? So that I can keep my PMP in my pocket or rucksack and still be able to adjust the volume/track without removing it?
By Fred FlintstonePosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 08:36 GMT
I would like to congratulate you on the funniest picture with an article yet - this made me laugh, thanks.
I'll now go and read the article, my trusty old foldable Sony is so old the foam has split.
Two things I learned over the years:
1 - never buy a noise cancelling headset on a flight - you'll have a headset, but the batteries don't come with it which makes it mildly useless until you land. DUh.
2 - realise that the improved sound quality comes at a price: the moment there is a cabin announcement you will hear this as through a megaphone as the volume is pre-set. A bit of planning ahead is thus advisable to avoid having your eardrums meet in the middle of your head due to sound pressure.
but a set of 60db ear protectors and a bluetooth headset or a nice mp3 radio player, 10 minutes with a stanley knife and some tape and glue - et voila blood everywhere...
By handlePosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:03 GMT
It doesn't seem like you understand the logarithmic nature of sound perception, which is exactly what Sony is hoping for in its mission to bamboozle you. No engineer uses percentages when talking about such things. A 99% reduction is 20 decibels - doesn't sound so impressive now, does it?
I bought a couple of pairs some years ago and for £25 they're blinding, they've stopped making them now but you can still pick them up for around £30. First time I used them on a flight it took me a while to get past the obligatory need to talk at an increased volume but now I wouldn't be without them (and yes they take batteries but we went to NZ and back on a pair of rechargeable AAA's).
By Tom 56Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:28 GMT
I have a pair and they are excellent, although as the review stated they aren't small. They are however very comfortable, and even sound great as "normal" headphones without the noise-cancelling switched on (by using the "bypass" switch).
Only issue with your review is the price you state - I bought mine online 6 months ago for £175, so unless prices have risen dramatically your quote of £300 sounds a bit high.
They're the lesser (in number and most importantly in size!!) version of the 450's... significantly cheaper, a fair bit more compact and to my ears work extremely well.... airplane adaptor is a useful purchase too!!
By handlePosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:00 GMT
The bigger the headphone, the more effective you can make the good old-fashioned passive insulation without relying on electronic gimmickry to get you out of trouble. The exception I guess is in-ear headphones.
By Peter 4Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:09 GMT
Will any of these headphones work to remove the dreadful noise of thud thud thud produced by modern stereos with those bass boxes? We live in a block of flats and when other occupants start playing that thud thud thud music (prolly drum and bass) it drives me f***ing CRAZY!
By AnnihilatorPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:26 GMT
Would love for them to figure out a way to get decent in-ear versions. My year old Sony ones are rather good, as you say, for background steady noise. Unfortunately what it actually does is allow you to hear what everyone is saying with crystal clarity. I'd rather the background noise to drown them out. Not to mention if you're walking with a cross-wind.
Bloody useful on the Tube where no-one talks to each other though.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:31 GMT
Got Goldring NS1000 earlier this year for about £50 (normal price £100ish) and rather happy with them, though I feel too self-conscious to wear anything that large on a bus.
Not the cheapest (nor the most expensive by a long way), but I was also looking for headphones that had a single, detachable, cord since I find that having two cords rather fiddly.
Shame the pictures didn't show what the cordage was like.
Still, I use mine on trains and the tube and they make a real difference in comfort terms - even if I'm not playing music.
By graham 33Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 11:20 GMT
You didn't cover the Sennheiser PXC range, specifically the PXC 250 which cost under £100 and strike a fine balance between portability and performance, and are made by Sennheiser so clearly a winner in the sound stakes. D'oh.
By cliff 2Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:06 GMT
It's always the case that prices for any product will vary a lot online. In the case of these headphones we either went with the price charged by the manufacturer on their own web site, or - where the manufacturer doesn't sell direct - the price charged by the manufacturer's preferred retail outlet.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:20 GMT
Some important points missed for the Audio Technica ANC-7 - and probably for other headphones reviewed to....
1) the ANC-7s are a single detachable cord design - more convenient
2) Can be driven by an iPod without turning on the noise cancelling (Can't do this with the Bose 'Winners' - no power, no sound). However, it is quieter because the impedience is much higher when unpowered - so turn up the volume.
3) Powered by single AAA battery, so no need to worry about rechargable. Changed the battery twice in 12 months ownership.
4) Carry case provided, it's not just a simple floppy bag, so offers reasonable protection
5) There is a lot of noise leakage for those around you on the ANC-7s which might not make you popular on a flight.
6) If you're worried about being deafened by announcements on flights then get a noise attenuator. I got one with my Ultimate Ears Super-fi 5 pros and it works well at protecting your hearing. Presumably you can get them elsewhere. Or if you can cope with Canalphones just the UE5s; up to -27dB noise cancellation (allegedly!).
I have ANC-7s and ruled out the Bose because - they stop working if the battery dies. They are too bass heavy - I prefer a natural sound. They're much more expensive. Subjectively they didn't seem to be that well built. I wanted over the ear headphones, not on-ear. They rely on rechargable batteries rather than simple disposables and I don't want to carry *another* charger around. Bose refuse to publish technical information on their products, whereas I want to see the numbers and pretty graphs :)
I suspect there is much omitted from the other reviews to save space. If you want Bose you could do worse than visit their outlet stores, e.g. McArthur Glen near York. Try before you buy - I did having been convinced by reviews like this I would buy Bose, and bought the ANC-7s instead.
Disclaimer - I don't have any affiliation with any of the above companies.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:50 GMT
Would be interested how the HS 600 DANR is doing because even the non-cancelling closed systems are pretty good in an airplane (like the DT 770 PRO 80Ω).
By AceRimmerPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 14:30 GMT
Actually, on planes, trains or automobiles noise cancelling earphones are worth wearing whether listening to anything or not.
They really cut the background engine/wind/tyre/rail noise and mean that your ears aren't being constantly assaulted by the noise.
I still enjoy taking mine off momentarily mid flight just to remind myself of how much noise I'm not hearing and thats with them not even plugged into anything.
There is of course the option of ear plugs but i can't stand stuffing them down my ears
By JoefishPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 16:49 GMT
...the more bearable over-ear types. And this one doesn't make it clear if these active ones perform any better at noise reduction, nor whether a single-cell MP3 player then has enough power to drive them.
Or why it's worth spending any more than some regular ear buds with a £10 pair of B&Q (or even cheaper Wickes) ear defenders over the top. Unless they're hugely effective at noise cancellation on an aircraft then sound reproduction quality is hardly an issue; you might as well use the free ones.
By Stefan PaetowPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 16:59 GMT
A question to The Reg: Why not add the Bose QC2 headset? They are different to the QC3 in size and powering method.
Those asking about carrying cases, Bose ships a semi-rigid case for theirs that fits the QC2 and QC3 perfectly.
And the customer service you get from them is definitely worth the money... And yes, their headphones ARE worth that much for the quality of sound and quality of noise cancelling.
By Anonymous CowardPosted Wednesday 17th June 2009 17:34 GMT
"Actually, on planes, trains or automobiles noise cancelling earphones are worth wearing whether listening to anything or not."
That´s my point. My tube is really loud (something moving at 80km/h through a wall-to-window narrow tunnel.)
The windows on the tube open (narrow reverse hatches, open towards inside of train), and cause an ear-splitting high-speed high-pitch wind noise, due to close proximity of the tunnel walls (less than 30cm for sure.)
It is almost the noise for milk-boiling whistles. An Ipod cranked to maximum doesn´t match the ambient noise, it is that loud.
I would gladly have one of those on, but not actually listening to anything.
If you go out and spend all that money on the Bose product, don't expect them to last. I spent the money on some Bose QC2s which fell apart at the cheap plastic part joining the headband to the cups. I'm not alone. See here http://getsatisfaction.com/bose/topics/warning_bose_will_not_repair_or_replace_broken_qc2_headphones. Bose will tell you that they have improved the design in this area - they won't repair my pair because they are the improved design!
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 23rd June 2009 20:22 GMT
Nokia Bluetooth Stereo Headset BH-905, altough a lot pricier (?), would seem still to be the pair for me. It works with cable also. Shame you didn't review them here as well. They seem to beat all of your choices.. Atleast in pr-speek.. :P
Comments on: Ten of the best... noise-cancelling headphones
Carrying cases? #
By Max 12 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 08:34 GMT
Can I congratulate the author #
By Fred Flintstone Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 08:36 GMT
You dont give any figures #
By Tom 7 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 08:50 GMT
bose #
By spencer Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 08:56 GMT
99% (surely that's a "title") #
By handle Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:03 GMT
Creative HN-700 #
By Lloyd Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:09 GMT
Glad to see the Sennheiser 450 won #
By Tom 56 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:28 GMT
Cheaper Sennheiser #
By Scott Mckenzie Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:54 GMT
Bigger is better I reckon #
By handle Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:00 GMT
Help! I'me being driven crazy. #
By Peter 4 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:09 GMT
Didn't look very hard #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:24 GMT
In ear #
By Annihilator Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:26 GMT
Bose? Recommended? #
By Bad Beaver Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:29 GMT
Goldring NS1000 #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:31 GMT
Jabra C820s? #
By Paul Murphy 1 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 10:47 GMT
Missing the best #
By graham 33 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 11:20 GMT
250 quid ? Having a laugh ! #
By Tom Chiverton 1 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 11:53 GMT
Sennheiser 450 #
By cliff 2 Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:06 GMT
PXC 300s #
By YP Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:07 GMT
ANC-7s #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:20 GMT
beyerdynamic #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:50 GMT
And yet #
By Alex Walsh Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 13:35 GMT
Thanks #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 14:00 GMT
@Alex Walsh #
By AceRimmer Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 14:30 GMT
The last round-up failed to consider... #
By Joefish Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 16:49 GMT
Various questions... and answers #
By Stefan Paetow Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 16:59 GMT
Great! #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 17:34 GMT
How about passive cancelling? #
By Barry 3 Posted Sunday 21st June 2009 18:47 GMT
Poor Quality Bose #
By loz Posted Tuesday 23rd June 2009 08:22 GMT
Nokia BH-905 #
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 23rd June 2009 20:22 GMT